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From [e-mail] (Don Allen) Wed Sep 18 21:12:54 1991
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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
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Subject: Info: MUFONET UFO Newswire - Argentina,ET's and NASA
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The following is off of MUFONET:

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Message #7683 - MUFONET
   Date : 17-Sep-91 21:54
   From : JOHN KOMAR
     To : All
Subject : UFO News-Wire

         MUFONET-BBS NETWORK  -  MUTUAL UFO NETWORK
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                       UFO NEWS - WIRE
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=START=   XMT: 18:06 Tue Sep 17  EXP: 18:00 Wed Sep 18

EXTRA-TERRESTRIALS BOOST TOURISM IN ARGENTINA AND INTERESTS
NASA

BUENOS AIRES (SEPT. 17) EFE - Residents of the Argentine
town of Victoria, accompanied by hundreds of tourists and
officials from the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space
Administration (NASA), are spending nights watching the
skies in hopes of spotting unidentified flying objects.

A television journalist said his camera crew had managed to
film the mysterious phenomenon last July.

"At first I thought it was a car or a tractor, but as we
were in the middle of a field I have no doubt that it was a
UFO," said Ramon Pereyra of Victoria's Channel 4 television
network.

Some 30,000 residents of the town, 320 km north of Buenos
Aires, have reported seeing strange lights and objects in
the sky.

Two weeks ago, a family in the town said it saw nine small
low-flying spaceships behind a larger vessel close to the
nearby Del Pescado lake.

The family said two human-looking shapes floated in the air
over the lake before returning to the spaceships which then
disappeared.

Following the reports, NASA experts moved into an abbey near
the town to observe the alleged extra-terrestrial
activities.

Hundreds of residents and tourists gather every weekend at
night at a bathing spot on the Parana river in the town to
try to spot the UFOs.

And after keeping quiet for six years, local resident Gladys
Rignoni confessed that she had seen two oval-shaped multi-
colored spaceships with three legs hovering over her farm on
the outskirts of Victoria.

But local police chief Carlos Gongora raised his voice in
skepticism.

"Those who have a nose for business and sell souvenirs of
Victoria are filling their pockets," he said.

=END=


Regards, John

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From [e-mail] (Michael McNulty) Tue Oct  1 17:04:24 1991
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From: [e-mail] (Michael McNulty)
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Subject: Report on Sept. 29th NH MUFON conference
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I attended the all-day New Hampshire MUFON conference this past
Sunday, Sept. 29th.  Its big draw was that it was advertised as the
last, official, public appearnce of Betty Hill.  Generally speaking,
it was interesting, but there were definitely slow parts to it.
Admittedly, it may just be that I am more interested in some things
than others, but I found the entire morning session to be not
much more than filler.

Anyway, here's the line-up, along with my impressions:

First speaker: Head of the NH MUFON (sorry, I don't know his name) -
He presented some very vague, very general, very unsubstantiated
(to me, very uninteresting) reports of new sightings in the NH area.
He seemed to mention on every one of them (there were about 5 that he
keyed on) that they hadn't done much reserach or interviews on them
and that they needed help to flesh out the reports and/or to check
their veracity.  He was obviously only there because his state
MUFON was running the conference.

Actually, he did talk about one fairly interesting case that involved
the pilot of a small craft sighting a beam-of-light-in-a-fog-like
UFO and trying to tail it, with directions provided, when possible,
by the ground airport personnel.  He said that the ball of light
appeared on his wing at one point, but then "flew" away.  In addition
to the radar man (or air traffic controller or whatever he was)
spotting this on radar, there were four ground personnel who were out
messing with (maybe "parking") a landed plane.  They also saw this
going on and had no access to the communication between the pilot and
the tower, so their report is substantiation for the pilot.  As with
the rest of the newer NH cases, the NH MUFON director said that they
had a lot of stuff to go over and people to interview.

Second Speaker: (John?) Brandenberg - He spoke of his "Face on Mars"
theory, picture, and book that he was hawking.  He also spoke about
his "Rainbow Declaration".  For my tastes, he spent much too little
time on the face on Mars and much too much time on his Declaration.
He started out by droning on about how we have to stop thinking of
ourselves as Americans, or even earthlings, and start thinking of
ourselves as neighbors to these bazillions of other neighbors that we
have throughout the skies.  He seemed to be a very spiritual and
intense man.  His face on Mars portion was basically "Here's the
picture, any questions?".  He did say that they've found barricades
around the faces, so he seemed to hint that these faces (he always
spoke of them in the plural, but only showed the one biggie) were
placed there as sort of a monument or tribute.  He "showed" how much
we (earthlings, although he had a much better name for us than that -
"Solarians"?, "Terrarians"?  I don't remember.) facially resembled
the face on mars, the greys, and the Pleidians.  Unfortunatley, he
showed this by four stick figure drawings of each of the faces.  It
was pretty bad, but his premise was that while we may look a little
different, aren't we all part of one something underneath and inside.

His Rainbow Declaration was slightly interesting, but I've been with
stoned and drunk college college kids who came up with better "Live
and Let Live" treaties at 4 in the morning.  It seemed to basically
be a "You can come and be with us to learn, play, research, farm,
etc., but don't violate our rights and we will act reciprocally to
you."  He intended to use the United Nations Security Council as the
mediator in disputes.  I thought that he was being really
presumptuous talking about them not invading us, capturing us,
killing us, stealing from us, depriving us of rights that are
given by God, etc. when we have not been able to stop that from
happening in the tiniest corner of our own planet.  It was obviously
a very personally emotional statement for him, though, because by the
end of it, he had to choke back tears 3 or 4 times.  His voice
cracked, he stopped talking, took a deep breath, wiped his cheeks,
and then started up again.  As I said, it did nothing for me, but 10
or 12 people gave him a standing ovation when he finished, so it
obviously moved some poeple.

As an aside here, I remembered as I was typing the above paragraph
that he said that the rights that he spoke of are absolutely
installed by God and then he mentioned that the last two societies
that refused to believe that certain rights are given by God were the
Nazis and the Communists, and look at what happened to them.  As
someone who doesn't necessarily buy into the traditional "God"
scenario as described by Brandenberg, I was a little put off by
basically being compared to a Nazi or a Communist because of my
non-belief in his God premise.  That may very well have skewed my
impression of him and his declaration.


Lunch break - Chicken, not bad.

After lunch, the conference took off for me!


Third Speaker: Budd Hopkins - He was great!  He spoke of a lot of new
cases that were much like the cases of his with which we are already
familiar.  He was talking a lot more about cases involving children,
though; perhaps he is going more and more in this direction with his
research.  Having already read Budd's books, there was really nothing
newly startling here.  He said that almost all of the children that
he has talked to speak of being whisked away to some local playground
area and are instructed to show the other alien children who are
there watching (who look a little like earth children, but with
shocks of white hair and sort of severe features, not soft, childlike
ones) how to play.  The earth kids then use the swing, the slide, the
sandbox, etc., usually asking the leader if the other (alien) kids
can play with them, but the answer is always no, that they have to
watch.  The alien kids watch passively, with no emotion, but seem to
be paying very close attention.

Budd said, probably to answer the objection that he guides people
whom he has hypnotized to his already established abduction scenario,
that he has never hypnotized any of these children.  He basically
said that once you let them know that you believe that these aliens
are real, the kids will just naturally open up.

I used to be under the impression, though, that he was a "They are
bad aliens, so watch your ass." theorist, but he seems to have
evolved into a more "They are impersonal, impassioned aliens, here to
learn from us things like how we play, how we relate to one another,
our emotions, our bodily functions, etc."  The meanness of the aliens
that I thought I had picked up in his books was replaced with a sense
that they're just here trying to learn things and are going about it
in ways that perhaps hurt or inconvenience us, but that is not their
intent.  I was very impressed with Budd.  Even with Betty Hill's
appearance, Budd was the star for me.

Fourth Speaker: Stanton Friedman - He spoke mostly of The New Mexico
crashes, the alien bodies "captured" (4 bodies - 2 definitely dead,
1 maybe dead or very close, and one absolutely alive) and Betty
Hill's star map.  I could have done with a lot less of his star map
interpretation; it got very technical and the history of how it was
eventually solved got a bit long-winded (like this post, I just
realized, so I'll try to keep the rest short).  He had a lot of stuff
to say, and I felt that he overdetailed almost everything in his talk
in order to make himself skeptic-proof.  I think that since he has
been doing this for a long time, he also tends to cram a million
things in at once, thereby clouding some issues.  He just sort of
mentioned off-hand about the the captured aliens, for instance, but
must have spent 20 minutes showing star maps that were rejected in
the Betty Hill star map discovery.  I liked him, but he needed to
focus more on a single topic.

Fifth Speaker: Betty Hill - I had never seen her before, so this was
really a treat for me.  But some of the stuff that she was saying
would have prompted her to get the hook if she wasn't the Grande Dame
of UFOs.  I do think that she was a very witty and engaging speaker
who bought into no particular theory of what, why, or how.  When
asked why they are visiting us, she would basically say "Damned if I
know.".  I liked that in her a lot.  She was just saying what
happened.  She left all of the speculating to everyone else and she
obviously didn't feel pressured to come up with a "reason" for why
this stuff happens.

First, she said that she would fill in some of the spots that have
been left open from the book and movie.  She has obviously done this
a million times, so I think she could do it in her sleep.  I didn't
notice anything filling any gaps, except that she said that a few
days after the (either the abduction or the hypnosis sessions that
revealed the abductions - sorry, I don't rememeber which), she and
Barney returned to her house and there, right in the middle of her
kitchen table, in a pile of leaves, dirt, and sticks were the
earrings that she had been wearing when she was abducted.  She had
forgotten that she was even wearing any, so she neever missed them.
She put them in her jewelry box, and has never worn them again.  She
didn't say how they got back at her house.  Also, the "dust spots"
that appeared on her dress (which she brought with her) had been
sent out to many laboratories for analysis, but the stuff could never
be indentified.

She brought a sculpture of the aliens, that she said she always
travelled with.  She calls him "Junior".

Then, for her last 15 minutes or so, she got the crowd in a serious
buzz, but sort of lost me.  She basically said "And I have seen
thousands of UFOs since the abduction."  She said that just last
Friday she and 2 friends were out watching the skies and saw 45
of them!  She just said this as though it were no big deal.  She said
that she has a favorite place (in Portsmouth, NH, where she lives and
also where this conference was) that she sees them all the time.
Constantly - she gave the impression that they are never not there!
And she said that she sees them in groups of 10, 20, 30, 40, 50,
(you name it) at a time!  She showed us about 50 slides of pictures
that she had taken, most of which were just lights, although some
seemed to have a shape, and said that she sees them landing all the
time, too.  She told us that her friends and relatives also have seen
hundreds of them and that it's no big deal.  If a small UFO is sort
of in their way on the road, they just beep the car horn, wave, it
moves, and they keep on driving.  What she was saying was absolutely
mind-boggling!  She said that she also has film of them landing.  She
also said that you should never touch one that's the size of the
table that was in front of her.  (I'm guessing that it was about 4
ft. X 4 ft.)  If you do, it will burn you right through your clothes.
Again, this was being said with the casualness of someone saying
"Have you got the time?"  I was actually laughing by the end of it
because it was so much to swallow.  Like I said, I think that if this
was not Betty Hill giving her final public declarations, she might
have been booed, or laughed, off of the stage.  (If Ed Walters, for
instance, had said all this stuff, he probably would have needeed
police protection to get out of the room alive.)  I never got the
impression that she was lying or confused or anything like that.  I
think she was telling us the absolute truth, as she sees it.  But it
still was unbelievable to me that the impression was that if you
DON'T see hundreds of these a week, you must have your eyes closed.

Sorry to make this posting so long.  I got carried away, but the
conference had a lot of good, interesting, humorous stuff that I
thought people might be interested in.  Another really interesting
part of all of this is that all of the speakers, with the exception
of Betty Hill, had a table and were hawking their stuff, so you could
speak to them.  I spoke to Budd for about a minute, bought a report
of his and he autographed it for me.

I think they intend to have another conferenec next Sept.

Mike